- metadata: - source: https://podcastnotes.org/joe-rogan-experience/1999-robert-kennedy-jr-the-joe-rogan-experience/ - people: [[Robert F. Kennedy Jr.]] --- # #1999 - Robert Kennedy Jr. | The Joe Rogan Experience • Podcast Notes > ## Excerpt > Robert Kennedy Jr. discusses corruption in the pharmaceutical industry, ending forever wars, why he's running for President in 2024, & more. --- <iframe style="border-radius:12px" src="https://open.spotify.com/embed/episode/3DQfcTY4viyXsIXQ89NXvg/video?utm_source=generator" width="624" height="351" frameBorder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture" loading="lazy"></iframe> Check out the [Episode Page](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3DQfcTY4viyXsIXQ89NXvg?si=9WDQaM6JSlWfIz88mFqdZQ) #### **Key Takeaways**  - In 1986, the pharmaceutical industry was granted immunity from liability by convincing the president and Congress that vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe”   - **While the CDC team found that 1 in 1,000,000 patients was injured by vaccines, the Lazarus team found that 1 in 37 kids had potential claims for vaccine injuries** - Vaccines are the only medical product exempt from pre-licensing safety testing; they don’t have to be tested, and many of them are not - “Trust the experts” is not a function of science; it is the opposite of science and a function of religion  - **The establishment had to discredit ivermectin because it would have interfered with the emergency use authorization of the vaccine** - “The mercantile ambitions have completely subsumed the regulatory function of those agencies, and that has to end.” – _Robert Kennedy Jr._ - **Pharmaceutical drugs are the number three killer in the United States, behind cancer and heart attacks**  - On the first day of his presidency, he would issue an Executive Order that would end pharmaceutical advertising on television  - **Massive wealth inequality that erodes the middle class is not conducive to sustaining democracy** - “I’m not running on vaccines. The only time that I will talk about vaccines is if somebody asks me about it.” – _RFK Jr._  - **“Both parties have lost their way.”** – _Robert Kennedy Jr._  - “I’m not going to win this by winning the sympathies of the mainstream media. I really think these podcasts have the capacity to change politics in this country this year.” – _Robert Kennedy Jr._  - “We got lots of money for the military-industrial complex and the banksters, but we’re starving Americans to death.” – _RFK Jr._  - **His central issues for the 2024 election:** rebuilding the middle class and getting out of forever wars - **America must come home, rebuild the middle class, then project economic power**  #### **Intro**  - Robert Kennedy Jr. ([@RobertKennedyJr](https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr)) is an attorney, author, and 2024 candidate for the office of the President of the United States of America  - In this conversation, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Joe Rogan discuss vaccines, the pharmaceutical industry, censorship, the rise of chronic disease in America, lessons learned from his father and his uncle JFK, how he plans to fix corporate corruption in America, why he is running for president of the United States in 2024, and much more  - Check out these [Podcast Notes](https://podcastnotes.org/all-in-podcast/e127-presidential-candidate-robert-f-kennedy-jr-in-conversation-with-the-besties-the-all-in-podcast/) from RKF Jr’s appearance on the All-In Podcast  - Host: Joe Rogan ([@JoeRogan](https://twitter.com/joerogan))  #### **From Environmental Law To Pharmaceutical Law**   - **Recommended reading from Joe Rogan:** [_The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health_](https://amzn.to/43K7eNk) by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - When Robert Kennedy was an environmentalist lawyer in the mid-2000s, a concerned parent brought him vaccine studies that revealed there was a large difference between what the science said about vaccines compared to what the public health agencies were saying  - He was studying the effects of mercury found in fish in polluted rivers, and the parent encouraged him to look into the effect of mercury in child vaccines  - Upon reaching out to high-ranking officials in the public health industry, RKJ Jr. discovered that very few people had read the most important studies related to vaccines; instead, these people just repeated things that they were told about vaccines  - Government regulators encouraged him to talk with people in “the industry”  - **He found it bizarre that the regulators told him to ask top industry officials for explanations about certain pharmaceutical regulations**   - Why does the CDC recommend that pregnant women not eat tuna fish to avoid mercury consumption but then also recommend mercury-containing flu shots at every trimester of pregnancy that have massive doses of mercury?  - Mercury is 1,000x more neurotoxic than lead   - Some vaccines protect against the targeted illnesses, but ruin the patient’s immune system in the process and inhibit their ability to fight off other minor diseases, according to RFK Jr.  #### **How Vaccines Manufacturers Gained Immunity From Liability**  - None of the vaccines are ever subjected to true placebo-controlled trials; they are the only medical product that is exempt from that process prior to licensing - Vaccine companies went to the Reagan Administration in 1986 and request they be granted full immunity from liability for all vaccines or else they would stop making them - When asked why they won’t just make the vaccines safe, they [replied](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-295/194152/20210929210340743_Amicus%20Brief%2021-295.pdf), “because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe”  - **The pharmaceutical industry was granted immunity from liability by convincing the president and congress that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe**  - Fewer than 1% of adverse vaccine events are ever reported, according to the [2006 Lazarus study](https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf)        - **While the CDC team found that 1 in 1,000,000 patients was injured by vaccines, the Lazarus team found that 1 in 37 kids had potential claims for vaccine injuries**  - Recommended reading from Robert Kennedy Jr.: A 2000 study titled “[Annual Summary of Vital Statistics: Trends in the Health of Americans During the 20th Century](https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/106/6/1307/63234/Annual-Summary-of-Vital-Statistics-Trends-in-the?redirectedFrom=fulltext)”  - Another 1977 study found that fewer than 1% of the decline in infectious mortality deaths could be attributed to vaccines - This study was required reading in almost every medical school in the country until the mid-1980s - The Vaccine Act of 1986 gave immunity from all liability to all vaccine companies for any injury or negligence  - This act removed the biggest cost for all vaccine companies: downstream liabilities  - The federal government has essentially forced 76 million kids to take the product each year, significantly reducing the marketing expenses of the vaccine manufacturers  - It’s like printing a billion dollars if a vaccine manufacturer can get their vaccine on the schedule for kids  - **Vaccines are also exempt from pre-licensing safety testing; they don’t have to be tested, and many of them are not**  - Recommend viewing from RFK Jr.: Dopesick on Hulu  - RFK Jr.’s conversation with comedian Theo Von was pulled from YouTube - Theo [posted a clip of the conversation](https://twitter.com/TheoVon/status/1669062817268355072?s=20) on Twitter      - His conversation on Mike Tyson’s show was also pulled from YouTube  #### **The Vaccine Gold Rush of 1989 & The Emergence of Chronic Diseases**  - Around 1989, all the vaccine companies raced to get their vaccines added to the schedule; he describes it as a “gold rush” for vaccine manufacturers  - The companies began creating vaccines for _everything_  - An explosion in chronic disease followed this gold rush, particularly autism  - The EPA found that the autism epidemic began in 1989 - Correlation does not mean causation, but it is noteworthy  - **The NIH decided to look at this relationship given the public interest, especially from mothers who claimed the vaccines were responsible for the rise in autism**  - The first run-through of the data, the lead scientist found that there was a 1,135% elevated risk of an autism diagnosis in the children who got the battery of vaccines compared to the children who did not  - A “relative risk” of 2 is considered proof of causation  - The relative risk of smoking a pack of cigarettes a day and getting lung cancer is 10  - The vaccine-autism relative risk was found to be 11.35 in this particular study  - In the 1960s, 6% of Americans had a chronic disease  - **About 1 in 10,000 individuals have autism in RFK Jr.’s generation, but 1 in 34 children have it in his children’s generation**  - The conventional rebuttal to this is that we are just noticing it more, but the CDC data reveals an increasing prevalence of autism each year  - Mercury has been removed from a lot of the vaccines, but they still contain aluminum and other elements that are neurotoxic  - **Recommended reading from RFK Jr.:** [_Vax-Unvax: Let the Science Speak_](https://amzn.to/3XePxTt) by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.   #### **Trust The Experts** - **“Trust the experts” is not a function of science; it is the opposite of science and a function of religion**  - If you pay them enough money, experts will say whatever you want them to say  - Seemingly no one had allergies when he was growing up, now five of his seven kids have allergies   - He says that aluminum adjuvants in vaccines give you allergies; they are designed to elicit a heightened immune response to foreign particles   - Chronic diseases are not just from the vaccines; he says our children are swimming around in a toxic soup  - But most of the chronic diseases started in 1989 and there are a finite number of culprits that you can point to  - Genes don’t cause epidemics; they must come from a toxic exposure exploiting a vulnerability  - Other potential culprits: glyphosate, pesticides, PFOA, cell phones, radiation  #### **WiFi Radiation**  - Radiation from WiFi can degrade your mitochondria, according to RFK Jr. - He wants the NIH to do studies that explore the potential culprits of chronic disease instead of suppressing the studies  - The United States makes up 4.2% of the global population and yet it accounted for 16% of the Covid deaths - The country’s burden of chronic disease did not help it during Covid  #### **Glyphosate & Allergies**  - Glyphosate is the active ingredient of Round-Up - There are many diseases that are linked to glyphosate exposure, including non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and several kidney diseases - Glyphosate also causes “severe damage” to the microbiome - Monsanto originally developed glyphosate as an herbicide - They also created “Round-up ready corn”, which was a corn that was impervious to the weed-killer - This allowed for an entire landscape to be sprayed by round-up, and everything would die except for the round-up ready corn  - **Round-up ready corn soon made up 90-95% of the corn produced in the United States**  - The same processes were made for soybeans, barley, and several other plants  - In 2006, they started spraying wheat with glyphosate to dry it out late in its harvest  - Around the same time, there was an explosion in the number of celiac diseases and gluten allergies   #### **Critical Thinking, Lessons From His Father & Uncle**   - Robert Kennedy applauds Joe for being a champion of critical thinking  - He says that no one has let him explain himself uninterrupted like Joe just did  - Curiosity and empathy were JFK’s greatest strengths  - **Recommended viewing from RFK Jr:** [JFK’s “Peace Speech” at American University](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fkKnfk4k40&pp=ygUjamZrIGFtZXJpY2FuIHVuaXZlcnNpdHkgc3BlZWNoIGZ1bGw%3D)   - Two weeks before he died, RFK Jr.’s father gave him the book [_The Plague_](https://amzn.to/44674ja) by Albert Camus; it had a profound impact on him - The book was a part of his father’s reassessment of meaning following his brother’s assassination  - Camus was an existentialist, a form of stoicism - **Sacrifice brings order to a chaotic universe**  - “It is easier to fool a man than to persuade him that he’s been fooled.” – _Mark Twain_  #### **Natural Immunity**  - It is hard for an infectious disease to kill a healthy person - There are ways to improve your immune system outside of vaccines, such as exercise, having a healthy diet, and taking vitamins  - **The establishment had to discredit ivermectin because it would have interfered with the emergency use authorization of the vaccine** - A vaccine cannot receive emergency use authorization if there is a drug on the market that effectively treats the targeted virus or disease  - Ivermectin is $0.05 per pill  - The $200 billion vaccine enterprise would have collapsed if ivermectin was found to be effective, according to Robert Kennedy Jr.   - **Each year, Bill Gates’s Foundation gives ivermectin to hundreds of millions of people in Africa for malaria control**  #### **The Pfizer Trial**   - About 22,000 people were injected with the Pfizer vaccine and 22,000 took the placebo (saline)  - **The results show the number needed to vaccinate to save one life (NNTV) was 1 in 22,000**  - **The vaccinated group were 21% more likely to die over the next 6 months from all-cause mortality**  - **The vaccinated group was 400% more likely to suffer a cardiac arrest in the next 6 months**  - During the trial, one person in the vaccinated group died of Covid and two people in the placebo group died of Covid  - **This allowed Pfizer to tell the public that the vaccine was 100% effective because two is 100% of one**  - These results indicate the product should not have been recommended, much less mandated  - RFK Jr. says this is not great data and not large enough sample size to draw too many conclusions from  - **Recommended reading from Robert:** [**_“Cause Unknown”: The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022_**](https://amzn.to/3p2lZfr) by Ed Dowd - The book is meant to be read in 90 minutes  - One part of the book aggregates 1,000 photos of newspaper reports of athletes suddenly dying during competition - Fifteen million Americans sought medical help after receiving the vaccine  #### **What He Plans To Do About It**  - He believes he is ideally suited to help fix the corruption in the pharmaceutical industry because he has spent so much time litigating and writing about these agencies - **He knows how to unravel corporate capture and knows the individuals that should be moved out and the individuals that should be moved in**  - Almost 50% of the FDA’s budget comes from pharmaceutical companies; the FDA does not work for us, it works for the pharmaceutical companies  - The CDC has a $12 billion budget, and about $5 billion of it goes towards buying vaccines in “sweetheart” deals from four vaccine companies and then promoting them to the public - You promote within the CDC by increasing vaccine uptake, not by finding problems in vaccines, according to RFK Jr.      - The NIH allows its employees to receive royalties on products they create  #### **Corporate Corruption & Ending Pharmaceutical Advertising**  - **“The mercantile ambitions have completely subsumed the regulatory function of those agencies, and that has to end.”** – _Robert Kennedy Jr._     - **RFK Jr. wants to get rid of pharmaceutical advertising on television**  - There are only two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical advertising: New Zealand and the United States         - Americans take 3-4x the amount of drugs that Europeans take - **Pharmaceutical drugs are the number three killer in the United States, behind cancer and heart attacks**  - Pharmaceutical drugs are not making us healthier; we spend more on healthcare ($4.3 trillion annually) than any other country in the world and we have the worst health impacts  - The United States is behind Mongolia, Costa Rica, and Cuba in terms of health outcomes - **On the first day of his presidency, he would issue an Executive Order that would end pharmaceutical advertising on television**  - Nobody will debate him on any of these issues over the last 18 years  - Robert asked Peter Hotez “many many times” to debate him  #### **Handling Criticism**  - Several of his friends have children who were so severely affected by vaccine injuries that their lives will never be the same  - They were perfectly healthy kids prior to receiving their battery of vaccines at the age of two - The criticism that Robert receives for speaking out is nothing compared to the struggles that these children and their families go through  #### **Why Run For President**  - Robert Kennedy Jr. grew up during the “Great Prosperity” period in American of history (1947-1980)  - During this time, America was an economic machine for democracy  - The middle class thrived and most of the wealth that existed in the world existed in America  - The rest of the world adored the United States in the period after WWII - **RFK Jr. wants his kids to grow up with the same love and pride for their country**  - He doesn’t see the path of either political party getting us there at this point  - **“Both parties have lost their way.”** – _Robert Kennedy Jr._  - The democratic party has become the party of war, censorship, and pharmaceutical companies - The political parties have turned it back on the American middle class, the most important class for stability and sustaining democracy  - **Massive wealth inequality that erodes the middle class is not conducive for sustaining democracy** - **“The middle class has gotten wiped out in this country and no one is talking about it.”** – _Robert Kennedy Jr._   - He speculates that Trump became so popular because he was the only person talking to the portion of the middle class that felt left behind  - **“When my father ran in ‘68, he put together a populist coalition of left and right. He was able to do that by telling the truth to people, including truths that they didn’t want to hear.”** – _Robert Kennedy Jr._  - On the day that he died, RFK won the most urban state (California) and the most rural state (South Dakota)  - Like every nation, each person has a darker side and a lighter side; it is easier for politicians to appeal to our darker sides, but every once in a while a politician like his father or uncle comes along who encourages people to see beyond their narrow self-interest and as part of a community  - **“I’m not running on vaccines. The only time that I will talk about vaccines is if somebody asks me about it.”** – _RFK Jr._  - His central issues for the 2024 election: rebuilding the middle class and getting out of forever wars  #### **How Podcasts Are Revolutionizing American Politics**  - **“I’m not going to win this by winning the sympathies of the mainstream media. I really think these podcasts have the capacity to change politics in this country this year.”** – _Robert Kennedy Jr._  - In 1960, his uncle JFK identified television as a new medium that he could master and that would give him an advantage  - Mastering television appearances was why JFK won the election; RFK Jr. hopes to do the same thing with podcasts for the 2024 election   - “I think this year, podcasts are going to have the potential to revolutionize American politics because, for the first time, you can end around the mainstream media.” – RFK Jr.  - **Comparing CNN, Tucker at Fox, and The Joe Rogan Experience:**  - CNN has a viewership of about 350,000 people per night - At the end of Tucker Carlson’s time at Fox, he had about 4.5 million per night  - Joe Rogan’s top shows can get as many as 40 million views  - He says he’ll probably never do an interview “like this” again because this is the only place where he can lay out all of his thoughts about vaccines without fear of censorship or retribution from the host #### **Getting Out Of Forever Wars**  - The same neocons who lied about WMDs are back in the Biden Administration making decisions about the Russia-Ukraine war  - The military-industrial complex is good at selling “good vs. evil” narratives that get us into these wars  - **He says we must look for roads towards peace in the Russia-Ukraine war and end the killing**  - **“The U.S. should be the grown-up in the room that says, ‘How do we stop the bloodshed?’”** – _RFK Jr._  #### **Spending So Much Abroad When We Have Problems At Home**  - The United States has committed $113 billion to Ukraine for the war  - About 57% of people in the United States do not have $1,000 to spend if an emergency happened  - About 25% of Americans are hungry now and not getting enough food  - Just recently, 30 million Americans received a call that cut their monthly food stamps allowance by 90%  - In the same month that 30 million Americans got that call, the government created $300 billion in new fiat to bail out the Silicon Valley bank - **“We got lots of money for the military-industrial complex and the banksters, but we’re starving Americans to death.”** – _RFK Jr._  - We spent $16 trillion on the Covid lockdowns and got nothing for it, and another $8 trillion on the Ukraine war - All of this money was printed from thin air  - **This is paid for via a hidden tax, also known as inflation**  - Inflation disproportionately affects the poor and the middle class   - Basic food bills for chicken, dairy, and eggs have increased 76% in two years  - We have 800 military bases abroad  - These wars are not good for our country or for our kids; 29 veterans kill themself every single day in America  - **America must come home, rebuild the middle class, then project economic power** #### **Remembering JFK**  - His uncle JFK knew the role of the CIA was to create a pipeline of new wars for the military-industrial complex  - JFK refused to provide US military support during the Bay of Pigs fiasco - This was when he realized the intelligence apparatus was lying to him  - **JFK wanted to take the CIA and “shatter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds”**  - In October of 1963 (a month before he was killed), JFK signed a national security memo to pull all U.S. troops out of Vietnam - JFK knew that the ideal image of America around the globe was not a soldier with a gun, but a member of the peace corps helping to build a well  - There are more buildings, statues, streets, hospitals, etc. around the world named after John Kennedy than any other president in history    - **On the intelligence agencies coming for him**: “Well, I got to be careful. I’m aware of that danger and I don’t live in fear of it, at all. But I’m not stupid about it and I take precautions.” [Joe Rogan Experience](https://podcastnotes.org/category/joe-rogan-experience/) : [health](https://podcastnotes.org/tag/health/), [joe rogan experience](https://podcastnotes.org/tag/joe-rogan-experience/), [politics](https://podcastnotes.org/tag/politics/), [popular](https://podcastnotes.org/tag/popular/), [robert kennedy jr](https://podcastnotes.org/tag/robert-kennedy-jr/), [show notes](https://podcastnotes.org/tag/show-notes/) Notes By Stan Rizzo # GPT notes